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PACSing and the right to a Carte de Séjour in France

June 11th, 2008 · View Comments

I get a lot of e-mails about PACSing and Carte de Séjours in France, so I wanted to clear up some things. These two are completely separate from one another – the Tribunal d’Instance takes care of PACSing and the Préfecture takes care of the carte de séjour. If you ask the Tribunal about the CDS, they will most likely give you wrong information, and if you ask the Préfecture about getting PACSed, they will most likely give you wrong information as well.

You can get PACSed whenever you want (similar to marriage – except marriage is still not an option in France for gay or lesbian couples.) Any two un-related people over the age of 18 can get PACSed in France, regardless of their nationality. (Two non-EU citizens – such as 2 Americans – are allowed to get PACSed as long as one of them has a carte de séjour already.) You may or may not have to prove that you live in France, so if you plan on getting PACSed soon, make sure both of your names are on an EDF or France Télécom bill. Check my PACS/Marriage page for more information on the paperwork needed to get PACSed.

You do not need to have a visa in order to get PACSed, but you need a visa in order to receive a carte de séjour due to being PACSed (or even married – the laws are the same). You must obtain a long-stay type D visa in order to stay legally in France, but it doesn’t matter if you obtain this visa before or after you get PACSed/married. If you obtain the visa before getting PACSed/married, you only have 40 days to actually do so after your arrival. If you obtain the visa after you get PACSed/married, then obviously this costs more because you have to return to your home country, but it might be easier to get because you can prove that you are indeed PACSed/married (with your certificat de PACS or livret de famille) which makes your application stronger than just having the intent to do so after your arrival in France.

If you are a PACSed foreigner, your partner is an EU citizen and you have a long-stay visa, you are entitled to the CDS visiteur – which gives you the right to stay, but not work – if you cannot prove un an de vie commune in France. This year of living together can definitely start before you get PACSed, as long as you were living in France legally at that time. (If you’ve been in France for more than 3 months without a visa, thereby surpassing the tourist limit in the Schengen space*, this time will NOT count towards your un an de vie commune. The year starts upon your LEGAL arrival in France, after you get the visa.)

If you can prove the un an de vie commune, regardless of when you got PACSed, then you are entitled to the CDS vie privée et familiale, which gives you the right to work in France. (This is the same carte you will receive if you are married to an EU citizen and have a long-stay visa.) I’ve heard horror stories of foreigners being denied a CDS even though they fulfill these requirements because some Préfectures don’t know the rules or don’t want to follow the rules. Even though PACSing has been around for almost 10 years, some fonctionnaires are still clueless as what it really means for foreigners in France.

I have found one organization, ARDHIS, that tries to help PACSed foreigners with their legal status in France. It’s actually an organization for the rights of homosexual and transsexual foreigners, but they have some legal information that is pertinent to any PACSed foreigner. (A few other helpful organizations for immigrants are GISTI and FASTI.) If you have been denied a CDS even though you are PACSed to an EU citizen and have a long-stay visa, here are some official documents that might help your case:

A circulaire from the Ministère de l’Intérieur (Villepin) dated October 30, 2004, specifically states your right to a CDS vie privée et familiale if you can justify un an de vie commune or to a CDS visiteur if you cannot. The PACS section starts on page 4.

Another circulaire from January 2007 reminds the préfectures that the first circulaire from October 2004 is still effective and PACSed foreigners should not be denied a CDS.

*Just a reminder about the Schengen space tourist visa: You can stay for 3 months, but then you must leave for 3 months! You can no longer leave for one day and come back without a visa. The original Schengen countries are Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain and Sweden. As of December 2007, the eastern countries were added: the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia. Switzerland & Liechtenstein (2008-9), Cyprus (2009) and Bulgaria & Romania (2011) will be fully implementing the Schengen laws during the years noted. Notice that the UK & Ireland do not implement the Schengen laws!

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  • @Ashley: Sorry for the late reply, but no, you can only live in France with the carte de sejour. It doesn't give you any rights in the rest of the EU.

    @Alley: You can get PACSed in SA at the French consulate, which might make getting a long-stay visa easier. It will entirely depend on the consulate if they will let you get the spouse visa or make you do the visitor one (which requires you to have more money saved up) since PACSing is sometimes not considered the same as marriage for immigration purposes.

    And unfortunately, the time you spent living together in SA would not count toward the un an de vie commune because that needs to be in France. So you should be able to get a visa to live in France, but you cannot work there until you have that un an de vie commune.
  • Alley
    Hi Jennie, my boyfriend is French and I am South African. He moved to South Africa one year ago and has since obtained a Life Partner Visa which will be valid until June 2011. We only had a Life Partnership Agreement and proof of power of Attorney that he has access to my bank account, as proof of living together, as we live in a garden flat, that he rents from the lessor, and we had no proof of actually sharing the same residence. But the South African Home Affairs accepted this and granted the temporary residence visa to him. We are now considering moving to France at the end of the year for a year or two, maybe longer. Should we get PACSed? Will my boyfriend's SA life partnership visa be enough proof for “un an de vie commune”? Can we get PACSed here in SA, before going to France? And do I still need to apply for a long-stay visa? Which one? What are the requirements? I will have to work once in France, as my boyfriend is a writer/musician and studied cinema and will only start looking for a new job, once he is back in France. He currently works at the Alliance Francaise. Hope you can help. Thanks!
  • ashley
    hi im ashley i got married in august last year with a french girl and i got my carte de sejour in france for one year,so i would like know if i can live in UK with that carte de sejour.
    thank you very much and do reply to my
    question please i need to know as soon as
    possible bye
  • Natasha
    Hi,
    I just found this blog when I was looking for more info about the CDS and how it'll affect me. I'm Australian and have been PACSed with my French partner for over a year. Our vie commune is spread out over five years, over four different countries. I've had a rough time with the French embassy in Australia and I'm without a long stay visa. I was told I could get the CDS while on my tourist visa, so long as I applied before the end of it. Tomorrow I start the grey period between the finish of my visa and the second interview i a few weeks. I've been told thats ok. Now, if it's a positive outcome I'm nervous what will happen if I leave France with no visa but with a valid CDS.
    This is a great blog!
  • @Wendy: The "un an de vie commune" needs to be at the same residence, and you would have to prove it with a lease, joint bank account, EDF bill, etc. with both your names on it. So if you have been living apart this whole time, then unfortunately it won't count. You can try to get your name added to the bills before actually moving in together though. When I moved in with my boyfriend, we just called EDF and they added my name without any proof that I actually lived here, so it's worth a shot!
  • Wendy
    Hi,

    I'm planning on pacsing my partner and had a more specific question to ask you. I've been in France for close to 4 years now (as a language assistant and/or student) - so I have been here, legally, quite a while, and most of it here in Toulouse. My partner and I do not live together but we have both been living in Toulouse for well over a year and a half (being together for just over a year now). Do you know off-hand if this counts for the "un an de vie commune" even if we have not shared the same residence? Thanks for your help!
  • Pauline
    Hi Jennie,
    Thanks very much for this information!
    I am french and my boyfriend is american, we are currently in the US but my visa is expiring and i have to go back to france... in 2 days! :(
    I am thinking of getting PACSed or married so he could join me in France. But i wonder when would he be able to legally find a job?
    Does he have to get a work permit? or is the married long stay visa sufficient? or is it after the obtention of the CDS vie privee et familiale?
    Thanks very much for your help!
    Take care
  • Thank You for such an informative blog!

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  • I think being able to get a work permit to legally work in France is definitely a great pay off. In my mind, I almost wish I knew about this one before I moved back...
  • GREAT information!! I'm on the road to being married here and will fill you in on anything I find useful through my blog (http://updatesfromsusan.blogspot.com). I DID find out that when I, a US citizen, get married to a French citizen and live in France the CDS DOES NOT give me the right to work in the UK unless I live there with my spouse. I actually had to withdraw from a job because of this...
    Best of luck and I can't wait to hear about your new job that I'm sure you will find!!
    -Susan
  • I love love love your new site. Super easy to navigate/read!!! Looks professional. Nice work lady and congrats on the right to work here finally. We r still trying to go figure out the how tos of the Pacs road....Opal
  • Hi Jennie,

    Just to answer your question on my blog. At the moment I only know about this eng-no dictionary: http://www.tritrans.net/indexno.html.

    Norwegian seems to be the language left out when it comes to dictionaries online. Maybe because we help ourself with the eng-swedish ones?? :)

    Good luck with your tutorials :)
  • It's true that the situation at French embassies/consulates around the world regarding the visas is completely different. I haven't yet found any official documents instructing the embassies to give visas to PACS partners. I don't even know if it's law that they must give a visa to spouses of French citizens!
  • Rebecca
    On getting a visa; you stated, "[it] might be easier to get because you can prove that you are indeed PACSed [...]"

    Note that the French consulate in New York City, in May 2007, was still insisting that your PACSed/nonPACSed status has no influence whatsoever on your visa application both in writing and at the application windows (I watched them argue with a French-American PACSed couple). You should be able to get a CDS visiteur anyway, but like nonPACSed visitors, you will have to prove you have a place to stay in France, medical coverage including repatriation to your country of citizenship, and independent means (in some cases a year's worth of SMIC!) to cover you during your stay in France.

    I don't know if that's changed, since I'm hearing more and more that PACSed spouses need to get a visa if they don't already have a long stay entry visa. If the consulates are having to respond more frequently to this type of situation, the requirements might be changing.

    Also: there are always shortcuts depending on your préfecture, but as I'm sure you know, trying to predict them can be a bit hazardous.
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